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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://christineinportland.com/2007/09/united-farm-workers-and-beef-northwest-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;straw man&quot; argument observation refers to the commenter&#039;s attempt to turn a conversation about what is happening in a specific situation with Oregon farm workers, a union, and an Oregon business into one that focuses on accusations against UFW. I posted links to a bit of the material to which he refers, in effect doing preliminary work for people who may be interested.

His second comment was followed by an ad hominem attack which I removed because it was false and childish. Still, I leave the semi-relevant claims he made up because, as I previously said, they lead to interesting information. Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;straw man&#8221; argument observation refers to the commenter&#8217;s attempt to turn a conversation about what is happening in a specific situation with Oregon farm workers, a union, and an Oregon business into one that focuses on accusations against UFW. I posted links to a bit of the material to which he refers, in effect doing preliminary work for people who may be interested.</p>
<p>His second comment was followed by an ad hominem attack which I removed because it was false and childish. Still, I leave the semi-relevant claims he made up because, as I previously said, they lead to interesting information. Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Raimondo</title>
		<link>http://christineinportland.com/2007/09/united-farm-workers-and-beef-northwest-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Raimondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anthony Raimondo</title>
		<link>http://christineinportland.com/2007/09/united-farm-workers-and-beef-northwest-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Raimondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You notice that I have made no effort to conceal who I am or what I do, which I could have done. I willingly included my website and business email in the post in the interest of disclosure and honesty. Because of my business, I have become very acquainted with the UFW&#039;s corruption and lack of integrity.  &lt;!--more--&gt;But as I said in my original post, DO NOT take my word for it.  Do your homework, and you will see that the union does not serve the interests of the workers, it serves its own.  The Attorney General investigation was very limited and addressed only specific laws concerning nonprofit and charitable organizations.  It certainly did not address the bigger issues or the core facts presented in the Times series.  As the AG said in the letter you posted, &quot;Although there were numerous allegations of wrongdoing, not all of the allegations involved public benefit corporations, nor did they involve charitable trust issues. Our investigation focused only on potential violations of charitable trust and nonprofit corporation laws.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Voting control on the UFW&#039;s web of nonprofits is consolidated in few hands, primarily Cesar Chavez&#039;s family members.  This is not technically illegal, but it is generally frowned upon by watchdog groups.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You should take a look at the Bakersfield Californian series from 2004 as well.  According to that series, the UFW&#039;s political work isn&#039;t always focused on&lt;br /&gt;
improving the workplace. In California&#039;s 2001-2002 legislative session, less than half of the bills lobbied by the UFW had anything to do with labor.&lt;br /&gt;
The UFW paid its consultant lobbyists $336,000 during that legislative session.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;They know it&#039;s wrong. They know they can&#039;t stand public scrutiny on it, they&#039;re dealing with very large sums of money. The quality of whoever&#039;s running it and whoever&#039;s on the board should be scrutinized. They have to be beyond reproach.&quot; (James Lorenz, an Oakland attorney and longtime UFW observer. He founded California Rural Legal Assistance in 1966. (Reported in the Bakersfield Californian May 9, 2004)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look at how many workers have voted to get rid of the UFW after living under the &quot;benefits&quot; of a UFW contract.  Last year, the UFW touted the signing of its Gallo contract, but this year the workers voted out the union, and some were quoted as saying that they did not get their money&#039;s worth for the mandatory dues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In fact, the moves taken by the UFW to put Guy Chaddock out of business occurred after the workers fought for 2 years to get rid of the union.  When Chaddock went under, Bakersfield TV station KGET quoted worker Veronica Cobian, who said &quot;We think it was the union that did this.&quot;  By the way, Chaddock was growing and meeting targets for local hiring set forth in its public financing arrangement until the union came in, after which the health of the company declined, as did the size of the workforce.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From 1993 to 1995 the union promoted a boycott of Safeway  for selling table grapes and strawberries, while the UFW pension plan had $340,000&lt;br /&gt;
invested in Safeway! During the same period, the UFW invested hundreds of thousands of farm worker dollars in companies that make the pesticides that the UFW claimed were a threat to worker health! The UFW pension plan has also invested in companies like Nike and Wal-&lt;br /&gt;
Mart, who are hardly friendly to workers.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PBS produced a documentary that included an interview with Francisco Alcazar, a strawberry worker targeted and blacklisted by the UFW because he spokde out agains the union.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In 2001, over a hundred farm workers lost their jobs at Coastal Berry Company when the UFW demanded that the company fire them after they objected to mandatory UFW dues. According to the workers, the UFW never told them that that they had the right to object to the amount of the dues. In 2004, the UFW agreed to pay $105,000 to the workers to settle the case.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As you know, I am clearly on a side of these issues that opposes the union.  I have spared you my anecdotal evidence about the union&#039;s corruption, because I do not expect to believe.  But that does not change the fact that the UFW lies to the workers, spends their money on things that they may not want, and ignores their needs once the contract is signed and the dues money comes in.  Everything in this post is verifiable by independent sources.  The UFW has twice been found by the ALRB to have failed to comply with rules requiring the union to disclose and account for how dues dollars are spent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t believe me blindly, but don&#039;t believe the union blindly just because of the memory of Cesar Chavez.  If you look into it, you will find that this union is not what it appears to be.  Despite what I do for a living, I will be the first to admit that there are good unions out there that are committed to representation of their members, the UFW is just not one of them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You notice that I have made no effort to conceal who I am or what I do, which I could have done. I willingly included my website and business email in the post in the interest of disclosure and honesty. Because of my business, I have become very acquainted with the UFW&#8217;s corruption and lack of integrity.  <!--more-->But as I said in my original post, DO NOT take my word for it.  Do your homework, and you will see that the union does not serve the interests of the workers, it serves its own.  The Attorney General investigation was very limited and addressed only specific laws concerning nonprofit and charitable organizations.  It certainly did not address the bigger issues or the core facts presented in the Times series.  As the AG said in the letter you posted, &#8220;Although there were numerous allegations of wrongdoing, not all of the allegations involved public benefit corporations, nor did they involve charitable trust issues. Our investigation focused only on potential violations of charitable trust and nonprofit corporation laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>Voting control on the UFW&#8217;s web of nonprofits is consolidated in few hands, primarily Cesar Chavez&#8217;s family members.  This is not technically illegal, but it is generally frowned upon by watchdog groups.</p>
<p>You should take a look at the Bakersfield Californian series from 2004 as well.  According to that series, the UFW&#8217;s political work isn&#8217;t always focused on<br />
improving the workplace. In California&#8217;s 2001-2002 legislative session, less than half of the bills lobbied by the UFW had anything to do with labor.<br />
The UFW paid its consultant lobbyists $336,000 during that legislative session.</p>
<p>&#8220;They know it&#8217;s wrong. They know they can&#8217;t stand public scrutiny on it, they&#8217;re dealing with very large sums of money. The quality of whoever&#8217;s running it and whoever&#8217;s on the board should be scrutinized. They have to be beyond reproach.&#8221; (James Lorenz, an Oakland attorney and longtime UFW observer. He founded California Rural Legal Assistance in 1966. (Reported in the Bakersfield Californian May 9, 2004)</p>
<p>Look at how many workers have voted to get rid of the UFW after living under the &#8220;benefits&#8221; of a UFW contract.  Last year, the UFW touted the signing of its Gallo contract, but this year the workers voted out the union, and some were quoted as saying that they did not get their money&#8217;s worth for the mandatory dues.</p>
<p>In fact, the moves taken by the UFW to put Guy Chaddock out of business occurred after the workers fought for 2 years to get rid of the union.  When Chaddock went under, Bakersfield TV station KGET quoted worker Veronica Cobian, who said &#8220;We think it was the union that did this.&#8221;  By the way, Chaddock was growing and meeting targets for local hiring set forth in its public financing arrangement until the union came in, after which the health of the company declined, as did the size of the workforce.</p>
<p>From 1993 to 1995 the union promoted a boycott of Safeway  for selling table grapes and strawberries, while the UFW pension plan had $340,000<br />
invested in Safeway! During the same period, the UFW invested hundreds of thousands of farm worker dollars in companies that make the pesticides that the UFW claimed were a threat to worker health! The UFW pension plan has also invested in companies like Nike and Wal-<br />
Mart, who are hardly friendly to workers.  </p>
<p>PBS produced a documentary that included an interview with Francisco Alcazar, a strawberry worker targeted and blacklisted by the UFW because he spokde out agains the union.</p>
<p>In 2001, over a hundred farm workers lost their jobs at Coastal Berry Company when the UFW demanded that the company fire them after they objected to mandatory UFW dues. According to the workers, the UFW never told them that that they had the right to object to the amount of the dues. In 2004, the UFW agreed to pay $105,000 to the workers to settle the case.</p>
<p>As you know, I am clearly on a side of these issues that opposes the union.  I have spared you my anecdotal evidence about the union&#8217;s corruption, because I do not expect to believe.  But that does not change the fact that the UFW lies to the workers, spends their money on things that they may not want, and ignores their needs once the contract is signed and the dues money comes in.  Everything in this post is verifiable by independent sources.  The UFW has twice been found by the ALRB to have failed to comply with rules requiring the union to disclose and account for how dues dollars are spent.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t believe me blindly, but don&#8217;t believe the union blindly just because of the memory of Cesar Chavez.  If you look into it, you will find that this union is not what it appears to be.  Despite what I do for a living, I will be the first to admit that there are good unions out there that are committed to representation of their members, the UFW is just not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://christineinportland.com/2007/09/united-farm-workers-and-beef-northwest-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also, see California Attorney General&#039;s report on their investigation of the allegations against the UFW in the LA Times series &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ufw.org/pdf/AG_Letter.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, see California Attorney General&#8217;s report on their investigation of the allegations against the UFW in the LA Times series <a href="http://www.ufw.org/pdf/AG_Letter.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://christineinportland.com/2007/09/united-farm-workers-and-beef-northwest-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For context on Anthony&#039;s comment, I wanted to mention that his law firm specializes in &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.srlaborlaw.com/about-saqui-&amp;-raimondo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;keeping [their] clients union free&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;  That grain of salt in mind, the first &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ufw8jan08,0,6620187.story?page=1&amp;coll=la-home-headlines&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; of the series he mentions is certainly interesting. Still, straw man.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For context on Anthony&#8217;s comment, I wanted to mention that his law firm specializes in &#8220;<a href="http://www.srlaborlaw.com/about-saqui-&#038;-raimondo.html" rel="nofollow">keeping [their] clients union free</a>.&#8221;  That grain of salt in mind, the first <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ufw8jan08,0,6620187.story?page=1&#038;coll=la-home-headlines" rel="nofollow">article</a> of the series he mentions is certainly interesting. Still, straw man.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Raimondo</title>
		<link>http://christineinportland.com/2007/09/united-farm-workers-and-beef-northwest-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Raimondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you examine this dispute, you should learn more about the recent history of the UFW, which may be the most corrupt and dishonest unoin in the nation.  Workers at Gallo and Richards Grove and Saralee Vineyard recently voted to decertify the UFW, and the California ALRB recently ruled thet the UFW violated worker rights.  An excellent seried in the LA Times by Miriam Pawel revealed how the UFW has tragically exploited the legacy of Cesar Chavez for profit while doing little or nothing for farm workers.  Now the UFW is trying to deprive workers of their right to vote on unionization because of the union&#039;s dismal record in elections.  Look up what happened at Guy Chaddock of Bakersfield, a family owned business that brought skilled good paying jobs to an economically depressed area.  The company did not oppose UFW representation, and the union drove them out of business.  Do some research before you believe the UFW (or me) but you will find that what I say is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you examine this dispute, you should learn more about the recent history of the UFW, which may be the most corrupt and dishonest unoin in the nation.  Workers at Gallo and Richards Grove and Saralee Vineyard recently voted to decertify the UFW, and the California ALRB recently ruled thet the UFW violated worker rights.  An excellent seried in the LA Times by Miriam Pawel revealed how the UFW has tragically exploited the legacy of Cesar Chavez for profit while doing little or nothing for farm workers.  Now the UFW is trying to deprive workers of their right to vote on unionization because of the union&#8217;s dismal record in elections.  Look up what happened at Guy Chaddock of Bakersfield, a family owned business that brought skilled good paying jobs to an economically depressed area.  The company did not oppose UFW representation, and the union drove them out of business.  Do some research before you believe the UFW (or me) but you will find that what I say is true.</p>
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